Dear readers,
Something a bit different today. It was a great pleasure to join the lovely Laura Perrins on her podcast for Gript Media earlier this week.
We spoke for an hour on the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the murder of Iryna Zarutska and Tommy Robinson’s ‘far-right’ Unite the Kingdom march last weekend.
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Perrins has little to offer of insight from her lofty perch. What could be described in parts as verbiage. In fact, it’s time to bid The NC farewell.
Cathy,
That’s a bit harsh. I’ve read quite a bit of Laura’s writings over the years, on another blog (TCW) and I don’t recall thinking she was on a “lofty perch”. Plain speaking, is my memory, and that’s what I like. Waffle out, plain speaking in, so to speak (ungrammatically). As for “verbiage” – well, we’re all good at that from time to time, or maybe I should speak for myself. As for this blog – it is one of the few places that I’ve been able to comment without being censored. So, I’ve been trying to encourage friends to sign up – I’ve not been posting here long, but I don’t recall reading anything from you, Cathy, despite the fact that there have been very interesting topics posted, indeed, in recent times.
I’ve only just now received my email with the new link to today’s discussion, so I can’t watch right now but I’m looking forward to it. I will be back!
I’ve just watched and enjoyed the conversation between Frank and Laura. And I’ve also just deleted, accidentally, the fairly lengthy comment I wrote in praise of it, just moments ago. So irritating. I’ll need to omit some of my brilliant commentary but will charge ahead with the more mundane bits (!)
In summary, just as Laura noticed a tricolour in the crowd at the Unite the Kingdom (Tommy Robinson) march at the weekend, so I saw at least one saltire as the camera panned the massive crowd – that is, the Scottish flag/St Andrew’s flag and it all gives some hope that the discontent in the “disunited” Kingdom and across the water in Ireland, will continue to grow. And that it will send a message to the politicians co-ordinating the chaos around us, that up with it, we will not put! Laura’s question, when remarking on the similarity of the wording from politicians warning against flag waving – where is the money coming from, who is paying for this (prohibition) – is crucial. Just as the amazing spread overnight across the world of Covid “regulations”, this flag-banning co-ordination is no accident. Who IS behind the boats, the illegal arrivals, the hotels, benefits, and sympathetic (to criminals) judges? We need to not forget that each and every illegal arrival has engaged in a criminal act, just as each and every person who breaks into our homes is acting criminally.
I was surprised to hear Frank differ from Charlie Kirk in his opinion on abortion, so, maybe at some time in the future, we can discuss that. Which brings me to a point I keep making to those around me, but often forget to do so in online debates and it is this: I dislike the terms “right and left”, “conservative and liberal” etc because the “hot potato” issues are really moral issues. Gender ID, abortion, euthanasia, and so much more, are moral issues. That different political parties hold different view is lamentable – not a sign of good health at all. But that doesn’t make them political issues.
And (almost) finally, while Laura seems to think that the Catholic funeral of the Duchess of Kent would be impressive – I doubt it. The traditional Catholic Mass and Requiem were dropped by the hierarchy years ago now, replaced by a “new order of Mass”, (novus ordo) akin to an Anglican service in many ways. The traditional Mass is in Latin (and still available – I attend one) and that really IS impressive.
But now (truly) finally – and I apologise for repeating myself, I won’t do so after this but I can’t resist – Laura described the Church/Mass as “Roman Catholic”. It’s one of my hobby horses, I’m afraid, trying to correct this when possible because that is not the name of the Church. “RC” only came into use when it was introduced by the Anglicans at the time of the Reformation – the Church’s name is simply “the Catholic Church” – there’s a very good, short but historically accurate article explaining this at the Christian Order website, entitled How Did the Catholic Church Get Her Name.
Overall, a thoroughly enjoyable discussion between Laura and Frank – thanks for posting it.
My apologies – I meant to say that I do, totally agree, with both Laura and Frank about the disgraceful media coverage of the murder of Charlie Kirk. It’s inexcusable – the quotes from the Irish journalist really do take the biscuit.
Please satisfy my curiosity, what does NC mean?
I suppose it means “New Conservative” – if you refer to Cathy’s post, that’s what I think you/she meant. Saying “farewell” to us here at The New Conservative. I could be wrong – it’s bound to happen some day, but that’s what I took it to mean.
I also forgot to say that I hadn’t heard anywhere else that Ben Shapiro had resolved not to do any more outdoor events. I think that’s prudent.
Michael Knowles is another young political commentator in the USA and he, like Ben, holds discussion events, basically with small groups and using the one-to-one format across a table. These are excellent. I’d imagine both Ben and Michael will be ever more security conscious now. I can’t remember if it was Laura or Frank who said that Charlie had been “killed for talking” but whoever said that got it spot on – shockingly so – and Michael and Ben will, hopefully, be very careful in the future. They are both young married men with children – it’s terrible to have to think like this but that’s life in these ever so tolerant societies.
To Patricia: Whilst I see where you are coming from with your dislike of the term RC, I think it’s a useful term to differentiate between the many, 20+, Catholic churches of the Eastern Rite that are in full communion with Rome but still somewhat separate, plus the Anglo-Catholic element within the CofE that is so similar to ‘RC’ that many Eastern Europeans attend thinking it really is ‘RC’. Also the Creed in CofE states belief in one Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church using the term Catholic to mean universal. Complicated isn’t it!
Nathaniel,
If you read the article, short history of the term, to which I refer (see Links, Christian Order website: How Did the Catholic Church Get Her Name) what you describe is precisely the reason why the term was introduced. The Reformers (Revolutionaries some might say!) wanted to give the impression that the Catholic Church was broader, wider, than the Catholic Church as it was known from the earliest days of Christendom. They pushed the branch theory, the heretical belief that, essentially, the Catholic Church under the Pope was but one branch of the actual, entire, Catholic Church. And you are correct about the Creed – when I attended a friend’s funeral in her Episcopalian church, that’s what I heard (I also saw people going up to the altar rails to kneel to receive their “Holy Communion” – it was, to all appearances, more Catholic than most Catholic parishes today: there was even a large picture of Our Lady of Perpetual Succour attached to one of the pillars right in the heart of the church) so, it’s true to say that the Anglicans have retained much of their Catholic heritage, stemming, no doubt, from the fact that King Henry XIII hadn’t intended to launch a new Church: he “merely” meant to be the spiritual leader, replacing the Pope, of the Church IN England – he didn’t mean to start his own Church OF England.
And as you have just demonstrated, the use of the term to push the branch theory worked! I remember seeing young people being interviewed by the BBC outside Westminster Cathedral at the time of Pope Benedict’s visit to the UK and when they were asked if they were Catholics, heads would nod but then one youngster said “Well, I’m an Anglo-Catholic…” No. That person was an Anglican. Yes, there are Eastern rite Catholics, but they are Catholics because they are, in fact, part of the Catholic Church under the authority of the pontiff; they are not a separate “branch”.
Anyway, I hope you will visit the Christian Order website to read the article – the author explains it all much better than my attempt, with documentation to prove the use of the name of “the Catholic Church” from the earliest times.
As for “complicated” – it was, I believe, St Irenaeus (1st/2nd century AD) who said that “Truth is always simple, it is error that is immense.”
Typo – oops! Henry XIII should, of course, be Henry VIII – apologies.
I’m pleased to see that you’re not one of those otherwise intelligent people who are convinced Henry VIII was a hard line Protestant because he appointed himself as Head of the Church in England, replacing the Pope. Henry VIII’s church was still Catholic to all intents and purposes.
Except, once he’d replaced the Pope, it wasn’t! “Where Peter is, there is the Church” – Still he knew that announcing a brand new Church wouldn’t work, and he was educated enough himself to know that, so he did do his best to retain as much of the “old Faith” as possible. I was really touched to witness that at my friend’s funeral, knowing the devastation being caused by the modernists in Catholic parishes from here to eternity (so to speak!)
Stick to the articles, they are thought provoking – the podcast was on a par with eavesdropping a conversation in a pub.
C’mon, Nathanial – that’s not fair. In any event, if I thought I could get away with it, I’d become a professional eavesdropper. Conversations are also thought provoking. It’s not for nothing that they call conversation an “art”. It shouldn’t be an either/or – both articles and conversations/discussions make us think. And that’s a good thing. As one of my close elderly relatives, now deceased, used to say: “Think, think, think, Patricia, and when you’ve done that, think again!”
I’d rather hear what people like you have to say than those, like LP, who have developed a platform to deliver their own views that frequently are of little particular interest, originality or importance. In a similar vein, I don’t rate chat show hosts or presenters as having skills beyond any well informed or educated person but who would never get the opportunity (or remuneration) to demonstrate this. You really should write an article for TNC yourself.
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